There have been and continue to be prominent Mormons in politics. They must be tired of having to explain the reasoning behind the fact that the church didn't allow blacks in until rather recently as well as other inconvenient information. Softening their stance on the gay issue is likely in part meant to decrease the pressure on Mormon candidates taking more progressive positions and not having to go directly against their church. Since JWs don't have this ambition, it gains them nothing in the short term to lighten their tone on this matter.
Las Malvinas son Argentinas
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Mormon 'support' for gays, pressure on the WTS?
by Simon inthe mormon / lds church has noticably changed it's stance toward homosexuality and instead of condemning it seems to be supporting protection for people's rights (of course they want to throw some protection for themselves in there as well).. how will this affect the wts?
the lds is the more-successful counterpart to the wts, similar age and history and same non-mainstream appeal.. i have no doubt that the lds church is only changing because they know which way the wind is blowing and society has completely changes it's attitudes towards gay people.
maybe they just want to stay ahead pf the curve before federal legislation enforces people's rights.. now, can we see the wts changing their views" will they be one of the last holdouts?
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If Your JW Parent Died Would YOU Go To The Kingdom Hall For The Talk?
by minimus ini would like your thoughts, please..
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
Of course I would go. I ignored most of the content in the meetings for years whilst attending, I think I can tolerate one final evangelising session. Not that I would necessarily be welcome in any way, but I refuse to attend any JW post funeral talk events. I will give respect where respect is due for the deceased. Just because they don't have any respect for the dead or living doesn't mean that I have to follow that example.
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Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)
by slimboyfat inafter some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.
thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.
i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
He's probably enjoying the fact that people are still talking about him, which is well-deserved considering all that was happened lately. Leave it open, maybe he'll stop by in one form or another. Let's keep doors open, not close them.
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For me the definition of a 'hate group' in the traditional sense would be a group that either inspires or directly commands their members to do everything from creating disturbances to outright violence. Granted, the WTS encourages shunning of former members and even to 'loathe' them, but I have never heard of an instance where JWs caused a disturbance with apostate protesters, burned a cross on someone's lawn, or incited riots. You could get an ornery JW who might speak hateful thoughts about unbelievers, but when it comes to putting this into practice, JWs are generally peaceful people. The argument can be made that shunning is indeed hatred, and I would agree with that assessment. If only real hate groups such as religious extremists, nationalists, KKK, etc just shunned and ignored people that they hated, the world would be a much better place indeed.
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Russia's Supreme Court Declares Jehovah's Witnesses Website Extremist
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-s-supreme-court-declares-jehovah-s-witnesses-website-extremist/512562.html.
russia's supreme court declares jehovah's witnesses website extremist.
the moscow times.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
I don't think it's due to any huge bias against JWs any more than what is typical Russian policy to promote the Orthodox church as the state religion. JWs get it worse because they are actively trying to make converts. When people who have been Orthodox all their lives start complaining that their sons, daughters, grandchildren, or parents wont speak to them because they have become JWs then it's no surprise when JWs become more than a nuisance to the authorities than other Christian sects might be.
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AAWA activists burst into a Kingdom Hall in Kent!
by raymond frantz inaawa activists burst into a kingdom hall in kent.
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That was disturbing. It made me subconsciously begin to root for the JWs to get these clowns off their property and for them to have their meeting in peace. If that was not sanctioned by AAWA and they are indeed ashamed of that, they should do the classy thing and ring that KH and apologise for what these men did while using their literature and completely disavow them. You don't need to be an attorney to tell people who are quite obviously there to make a disturbance to piss off.
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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown
by Simon inafter a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
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There are incidents like this in Ferguson precisely because it is tolerated and in some cases downright encouraged by authority figures, mass media, and popular culture. It's like letting your child know that if they don't get what they want then they should just trash the home in the hopes of teaching you a lesson not to make the same mistake again. Cities are literally held hostage by this threat. The schools and municipal offices were even closed as if to say "we know you aren't going to like this and fully expect you to riot". What precedent does this create? That's an easy one. If you are black and get killed by someone who is not black, hold the entire justice system and cities hostage until you get whoever did it in jail for life. Let's face it, even if Wilson was charged it would have never been enough for this mob. Worst case scenario - manslaughter. A few years in custody at most. Would there be looting again at the perceived leniency of the sentence? Absolutely. I'm not even sure a lifetime sentence would have sufficed. We would have heard these tired old memes that at least Wilson is still alive, Brown is not.
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Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown
by Simon inafter a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
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It doesn't help when the leadership in the USA makes the following comments regarding the case, always with a caveat:
Obama: First and foremost, we are a nation built on the rule of law. And so, we need to accept that this decision was the grand jury’s to make. There are Americans who agree with it, and there are Americans who are deeply disappointed, even angry. It’s an understandable reaction…
Translation: Though the investigative process was followed and the grand jury made their decision based on the facts and witnesses, it's quite understandable that people are very angry about this. Notice how the focus is on the unnamed Americans who are 'deeply disappointed, even angry'. The others just simply 'agree with it'. More effort is made to explain the emotions of the people who didn't agree. This is pure manipulation. "We don't want any violence, respect the decision, but we understand why you are so angry".
Obama: Finally, we need to recognize that the situation in Ferguson speaks to broader challenges that we still face as a nation. The fact is in too many parts of this country a deep distrust exists between law enforcement and communities of color. Some of this is the result of the legacy of racial discrimination in this country. And this is tragic because nobody needs good policing more than poor communities with higher crime rates.
Translation: Though we need to accept the decision by the grand jury, Americans need to also accept that there's a 'legacy of racial discrimination in this country'. OK. Just who is going around saying that the USA does not have a legacy of racial discrimination? Why speak of this legacy now unless you see a clear connection to the incident in Ferguson? So yes, what this is saying is that Wilson shooting Brown was a clear-cut result of the country's legacy of racial discrimination. How so? So Wilson shot him in a pique of racial discrimination? If the man charging him and struggling for his gun were white, Wilson would chuckled it off and been extremely careful to the point of risking his own life in order not to shed any white blood?
What police officer in his or her right mind is ever going to want this job? The real message from Ferguson is this: If you police the streets of a community where you do not belong and don't look like the people you are trying to police, you are automatically a suspect in any incident of racial discrimination. Your name will be plastered around the media and public consciousness as a racist murderer. Even if a grand jury or any jury decided that you are innocent of these charges, your government will go around saying that people still have a reason to be angry about you and what you did. It's like being told that if you ever get involved in an incident with someone of another race at your workplace, you will be immediately investigated for racial discrimination and the presumption is that you are racist until proven otherwise.
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Reject "worldly" fantasies, pursue Kingdom "realities"!!!
by DATA-DOG inhave you had the pleasure of hearing this doozy??
i believe it was presented at the circuit level first, it has filtered it's way down.. the poor eldub opens with this definition of the word fantasize:.
"to conceive fanciful or extravagant notions, ideas, suppositions, ect.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
I could never get over the fact that Jehovah evidently had a point system. Keep chugging along within the confines of his organisation, you'll make it to the finish line. So you need to kiss his organisation's ass in order to please Christ and Him, and you'll get in. Everything after that point will take care of itself? Well, not quite because you still have to prove faithful through the 1000 year reign and then as a 'perfect' human being you successfully fend off Satan's last temptations fresh out of the abyss. Sounds like a complex medieval style labyrinth to me. Why do you have to constantly prove that you are deserving of life? That shouldn't be an elite club. There are many people I dislike whom I still feel are deserving of life. What's so difficult about that?
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Preaching is a waste of time
by konceptual99 inbefore anyone gives me the "bears/wood" similarities, this is a post based on insidethekh's reply on the mormon v jw thread.
(http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/287545/1/who-is-copying-who-jws-or-mormons) i like to see wt friendly posts on here as some of the wt bashing displays the same logical fallacies as levelled against the wts and it's followers so it's good to consider reasoned debate.. on the one hand i think itkh makes a fair point if you compare the worldwide success of mormons v jws but there is an overall context to the preaching work that is completely ignored by those fully "in" and has been a major factor in my move from being an active witness to one on the cusp of getting out.
from a statistical point of view there are great headline numbers presented by the wts but if you put them in the context of the number of witnesses, conversation ratios, ratio of new witnesses to birth rates, numbers that must be leaving, growth differentials across the globe, penetration in muslim nations and so on then these numbers become meaningless.
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Preaching is not effective in the JW style because it has become so much of a routine to the point where putting on a suit or dress on Saturday morning to go out in field service is now no more than a ritual. It's like Catholics and Sunday Mass - just by showing up you get your weekly ticket stamped to heaven (or paradise). Hardly anyone was interested in going door-to-door anymore. It was all about Return Visits (much of it to elderly people who appreciated the company), Bible Studies with acquaintances or family members, or Not-At-Homes which frankly people hoped would continue to be not at home. It was a social outing with the traditional 'coffee break' which goes on longer than most COs are comfortable with. JWs have gotten so used to being turned down that they just go through the motions of preaching and the organisation is so backward thinking they can hardly think of a new strategy outside of wearing JW.ORG buttons.